Do PR people really post on Datalounge?

R1 Who is doing this? Usually when a person does this, it's a crazy fangirl who refuses to accept the truth about a celebrity.

I don't know the people who are paid to troll the internet defending certain celebs but I know a couple of people who pay them to do it. They consider it a necessary tool. I consider it silly but then I consider most of the internet to be pretty silly.

Yes, but everyone immediately accuses them of being a troll, a liar and/or a shill, but they don't leave. Everyone else, the ones with good gossip leave.

Oh they give a fuck. My friend is a publicist and reads these threads religiously. You have to remember they're are ex-employees, ex-lovers, ex-partners, ex-friends, etc. who can post here anonymously to get even with the celebrities who have wronged them.

Do you consider people hired by celebrities to track internet posts/stories PR people? If so, then yes I do believe it's possible.

I just remembered, back in 2009, my roommate's girlfriend was a judge and producer on a reality TV show on Oxygen.

One of the eliminated contestants later went on the Internet (I think it was on Oxygen's website for the show) and started trash talking and badmouthing the girlfriend, accusing her of being racist for eliminating her.

If anybody was doing any damage control, I have no idea.

Gotta agree with r1, it's usually some deranged fan girl who just can't stand hearing anything bad about their crush.

No. The fat old queens who make up the majority of DL believe people care about what they post. They don't.

Yes they do OP. I absolutely know it to be true.

They don't so much care about where the information is (i.e. they don't care about the Datalounge website per se) - they just get electronic alerts like Google alerts, to specific keyword information and keyword/phrase mentions posted about someone or something and then immediately head to that site/forum to post information to discredit, deflect, support or drive the conversation in a different direct about what is being said. Some of them are very good at what they do.

Big famous names with something to hide/movie studios/COS type entities etc. pay people to do this just like major corporations all pay teams of people to monitor social media for issues and fake good posts too (when there is time).

It's usually entities like big names (Will Smith, Tom Cruise etc.) COS types, Food and Beverage, NRA, Lobbyists and large corporations etc.

For example - Will Smith/his representation/COS are employing this method at the moment for damage control because he has something to hide. However, just as an example - Madonna is not and never has because she has nothing to hide - no matter what sort of shit she gets up to next. See the difference?

You guys are fucking idiots if you don't believe this is going on.

Where would social media managers work except on high traffic social media? Individuals don't hire as much as companies, SONY or CAA hire for clients or projects, for example. Quaker Oats has a social media management team, of course other brands do as well.

It's a growing industry, pays ok. Not rocket science, tactics pretty standard.

R8, after you eat dog shit and shit it out, do you eat it again? Because that's the smell you give off.

R9, those aren't Will Smith's people talking in the other thread, that's just me.

R9, they are trying to deflect and discredit, if people are aware makes them less effective. Once you know about the job existing, they are easy to spot and ignore. That makes their attempts to shape discussion less successful. Soon there will be shrieks re tinhats. Candy bars and soda brands have social media managers, celebrities represent same brand/income to studios, etc, so they protect. A band may have multiple social media teams working in a coordinated way, for example.

R9 is right. A web crawler program can find specific word chains and flag up even the most obscure sites for damage control. A PR agency will have teams of interns doing this for their client roster.

Seems like the people who make $$$ off Will' s brand are not thrilled to have him discussed on DL.

Simon Halls has been on here for years. He knew "punch and delete."

So, I guess if Will Smith were actually straight, he'd still have PR people coming here to do damage control.

Discussion of Social Media Management industry in Forbes

Yes they exist, R9 is correct in every respect.

There are people who go overboard in "identifying" the interns/peons and get paranoid, accusing normal posters of being shills. I suppose that's to be expected.

The easiest ones to spot are the Scieno-slaves. Poor bastards.

All I know is that stars of the magnitude of Will Smith, who should have been nominated again for an Academy Award this year, certainly would not bother with the terrible, racist things said about him, and even though he is a supporter of equal rights for all, he does not deserve to be accused unfairly and disgustingly of being some kind of sexual pervert or gay person. It's just not fair to his beautiful and faithful wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, the multi-award-winning actress, or to his talented children, stars in their own right. As a world leader in many fields of endeavor, Will Smith has much better things to do with his time.

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That's them R10. Media and Information managers.

Yes you are correct R13 - once people know about them they are easy to spot, ignore and discredit. But most people (95%) don't know about them and assume they are legitimate posts or information. If they say it enough times and stick to the story then people believe it. DL can shriek about tinhats all they like but what I posted in R9 are the facts. I work in the web/social media industry and I know it is true.

As I said - Will Smith's management is employing a team from a Media Management company at the moment. They will post anywhere they get an alert to post to. Will Smith himself wont know about it but may have been told that the Internet is "being taken care of".

The COS is famed for doing this and have their own internal permanent team to do this.

These Media Management companies also do PR for when a movie or product is being released so it looks like lots of people love the movie/product. They also manage a corporations presence/brand/good-will on the Internet. This has been done for a while now. IT's SOP for movie studios, PR management, big stars, lobbyists and corporations.

2015 - year of message boards and forums

R20 needs a bit more training on audience and msg

Small too R21.

Well done, R20. Your overlords approve and you will be rewarded.

Usually the threads like this one where these Media Management companies are discussed are shut down at DL. Let's see if this one survives.

R20 - we can see right through you! I'd say you were COS. Am I right? You all have a particularly lame and defeated way of posting.

R15 - it's not about DL - it's about any website that they receive alerts that the topic is being discussed. They couldn't give a shit about DL but they do give a shit about all the money Will Smith brings in. The COS doesn't want yet another of its members dragged through the mud. Always the gays with Travolta, Cruise and now finally Smith.

I think R20 was just reposting or parodying some Scieno-slave's Will Smith talking points.

Brands of paint have social media management teams.

For people to assume posts on internet are just spontaneous individuals with no agendas is what the social media managers hope for, otherwise you'd filter like you would an ad or press release. Not just online industry either, there are individuals who are socially connected who are paid to shape opinion around everything from politicians to bands to a new local restaurant. When I was a kid we learned about this stuff, subliminal advertising, etc, in school.

Yes, OP, they do. Years ago, I didn't believe it, but in the last few years I've begun to be able to spot some of them and separate them from the fan defenders, who are more emotional.

Most of the people who think they are arguing with pr people are either schizophrenic tinhats or fangirls who can't accept reality. The idea that everyone from Obama to Harvey Weinstein is desperate to hide a certain celebrity being gay is ludicrous, but it makes them feel important. It's also an excuse to not except the truth when you don't have a legit case.

For example, there are a number of 1 Direction fans who post here now and all over the Internet. They think Harry Styles is in some type of romantic relationship with Louis Tomlinson, which is of course made up fangirl crap. But anyone who dares to challenge their beliefs is nothing but a secret pr person hired to come shut them down. It's a way to not accept reality while also feeling important enough that you'd be noticed. I doubt anyone here is pr person. Real pr people don't give a shit about websites or internet rumors. It's the mainstream stuff that makes headlines.

Posts on this thread exemplify common tactics and terms.

Oh please - you kweens are so delusional. Why the fuck do you think anyone gives a shit what you old decaying corpses think?

They post on Reddit and twitter and facebook - not on a dying site from the 90s filled with shut ins.

Examples of SONY's engagement with social media.

It's more than those three platforms, R31, it's everywhere on the internet but the DL is not at the top of their list unless/until we get huge threads going with tons of alerts going off for them.

DL is 0.0001% of what "social media" is. It's barely a turd in a flea's ass compared to every other platform. Someone else posted that they think most of the threads here are started by 7 people, and most of the thread agreed with him. 7 might be a little low - but how many regulars are truly here...70? Not off by much. What 70 people say matters...why...?

The site is ranked # 35,049.

Perez Hilton (which is nearly dead) is 2,552

TMZ is 648

Even Bossip is 8223!

Get some perspective. Nobody gives a shit about DL!

DL is a carefully monitored top discussion board when client has gay issues. Strategies and trial balloons are sometimes tested.

Different type of media than outlets listed by R30.

If Pr people really want to control a story, they'll pay a popular site for a fluff piece. They don't bother with comments or message boards. People who think this are people who just can't stand the fact that others have a different opinion.

We get PR people shilling for Hillary Clinton in this year's Democratic presidential primaries.

Actually - I know a lot about this. There are companies who are payed to do nothing but scrub online - these are high profile people who are either very image conscious or have something to hide and their people will be on the look out for it. I doubt very much Simon posts on here. He might have read it or someone told him about it but the people at his level are more hands off on day to day. 90% of PR work for actors, tv shows, movies etc is getting pressed lined up, getting interviews, magazine covers, articles, tv interviews etc all lined up. You constantly are under pressure to deliver. People below a-list, mostly don't care if they get rumors and gossip, as long as people are talking about them. If there was one thing Sex and the City got right it was Samantha saying "first you get the gays, then the girls, then you know you have a star." The were playing "tearing up my heart" in gay clubs long before N'Sync hit Radio Disney.

A-list stars? They are different breed. It was Pat Kingsley, I think, who really changed the game. She took control of Tom Cruise's image. If a magazine wanted a story, it had to be a cover, if it was a cover she would provide the photos. She controlled every aspect of his image. At the height of his fame if you crossed her, you would never see a pic of Tom. get an interview...nothing. Liz Rosenberg followed this model with Madonna.

R36, totally different tool. Not sure if you are uninformed or shaping discussion?

Discussion boards and forums are key to brands ranging from banks to celebrities. Placing fluff different than actively engaging in storytelling and in damage containment.

DL and Lipstick Alley are among discussion sites actively monitored for closeted clients.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Everyone should be aware of this basic info.

What does the "punch" of "punch and delete" mean? Is that like a vicious face slapping?

Nope.

Of course they do. As another poster noted, it isn't that they specifically monitor Datalounge, but gossip sites in general. They want to know what is being said about their clients, and yes they DO have shills who will come in to counter any information they consider harmful to the client's brand. If the brand is that the guy is a hetero stud, for instance, they won't mind groupies posting hookups as long as they are positive. However, if that guy also likes to hook up with men and THAT gets out, they will discredit the information any way they can. Or, as has happened with Lipstick Alley, they will even try to sue over something that makes their client look bad. The lawsuit regarding Evans's herpes being revealed failed, but I imagine a lot of fans took that as evidence that it wasn't true.

Hell, you guys know how successful these tactics are with the fans. It works.

Chris Evans's, that is.

"Punch and delete" = "Punch him in the face and delete his number from your cell phone", DL meme for getting rid of an annoying friend, or a friend that has crossed you. Started maybe mid-2000s?

Will Smith had NBC PR behind him, and has since moved on. Remember Mark Wahlberg blinded a man and beat another Vietnamese guy while shouting GOOKS - we was charged with attempted murder...but ended up only getting 45 days. Some nightmares are just to hard to cover. Look at John Galiano who was recorded saying Hitler was not a bad person and had good ideas....poof he was dropped faster than a hot rock. Will and Jada are the most known secret in hollywood - yet when Alexis Arquette calls them out on it he is the crazy tranny. Jeremy Renner...he LIVES with his boyfriend...had a baby with him and a surrogate..married her to hide it all...Jared Leto fucks more guys than most porn stars but do you hear about it? Hell...who did not know Clay Aiken was a big homo and there are some of his claymates who still don't believe it.

Yeah.

Discussion forums offer a place to contain damage and to get out counter narratives while seeming more "organic." Tumblrs and Twitter are often managed platforms too, not justIfy fray or dude in basement, those people can be fed info, paid, or sites can be in essence fronts. Celebrities manage reputation just like politicians and any brand. Remember Tylenol?

[quote]Most of the people who think they are arguing with pr people are either schizophrenic tinhats or fangirls who can't accept reality.

Sometimes they are crazed fangirls, yes. Sometimes they aren't. It's often hard to tell.

For instance, I was doing research for a colleague on a now-elderly but still touring pop star. I posted on a few fan and gossip sites, only mentioning what was already public knowledge. The psycho fangirls decided I was a "secret insider," because it made them feel important. They had lengthy tales about how this pop star's wife/manager was always trying to take them down, get their forum deleted, etc. She would post secret messages to them on Facebook at 3:00 AM, they claimed. It was all because they knew the TRUTH, you see. Truth about what, they never said, but they knew the REAL TRUTH, and that the pop star himself had DEMANDED his wife/manager leave them alone because he CARED about them deeply, but I was a SECRET SPY working for her, trying to take them down from within.

It was insanity. I was certain the star's PR people had no idea the website even existed, and I told them so. They banned me from their forum.

That very night, someone from the star's management company started poring over my website. About two days later, the star and his manager/wife tweeted from Paris on the same day my site had 200 hits from Paris in a 35-minute period.

I thought it was coincidence (or maybe even someone spoofing these IPs, trying to make me think I was being "watched") until I posted gossip I had about him on DL about six months later. It was one of those long, old threads that had been around for years, with really good gossip but an innocuous subject line so no one realized what it was. Within 12 hours, the thread was deleted. I mentioned this the next day when we were talking about the deletion and THAT thread was deleted, too.

So now I just keep my damn mouth shut.

ABSOLUTELY, OP! R9, plus others, give a very accurate description of how it works. It really isn't any different than it was in the olden days except technology has advanced. Just google; "social media services celebrity" and you will see companies that offer social media services. I n the meantime;

Great story, R50. I didn't understand most of it, but those stories are true. As long as it's under the radar and "crazy" and mostly very few hits, you can get away with a lot. But as soon as the shit hits the fan, bam you know it. Thread deleted. There was an innocuous thread some 12 hours ago about the best movies (or roles) of our favourite robot midget, and it was fairly innoccuous as these threads go. Somewhere along the line it must have gotten ugly because it's been deleted. You don't mess with POS.

I think OP is Dumbvida. She always asks questions in the middle of a thread and then asks for examples. This sounds like a thread she would start.

Sorry, R52. I was trying to be brief (and failed) while also not mentioning the pop star's name. It got a little confusing.

What I don't fully understand: why does DL close down/ delete threads? Are threats from publicists that daunting? It's not as if DL is going to get (or want) the next big Tom Cruise interview anyway.

Are there threats of lawsuits (hard to see how that would succeed on an anonymous site), or is it the threat of losing advertising on the company's other sites?

Anyone have real insight on the hows and whys?

R55 Threads are closed when they violate the rules. I have never seen a thread deleted for just gossip or even slander. That would be hard to prove in court and it would also be harder to track down the people involved. Not worth the hassle for most celebrities as it would bring more attention to the rumors than they are getting just being posted here.

Many PR agencies hire interns whose main job really is to troll the Internet for any mentions of their clients. They're fresh out of college or still in college, so that's why they're so obvious when they post. They haven't yet learned how tonedeaf it sounds to come onto an online community where people express a variety of opinions and are sometimes critical of celebrities and start "gushing" about how great some mediocre beige nobody is and how you should totally go see their new movie, in theaters this Friday, get your tickets on Fandango now before they sell out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Datalounge comes up in a LOT of Google searches for "[Celebrity Name] gay."

R57 Do you have any actual proof of that? Not internet tinhat sites, like actual proof. Seems like a waste of time.

What you are actually encountering are most likely obsessed fans who feel the need to be the celebrity's personal savior.

R58, yes, I know people who work in PR in Hollywood. Major agencies, though not necessarily top players within those agencies. I can confirm that at least one A-lister's publicist has posted here, for example, though she was defending a very D-list client at the time. She was called out on it in the thread for sounding like a publicist. I happened to know who that person's publicist was, so I asked her if she posts on Datalounge and she laughed about it.

It's just a job to most of them. They don't get emotional about it. It's their job to handle public perception of their clients, and posting on and getting info from Internet forums is just part of the job description. Why wouldn't they use such a powerful free medium?

The unpaid fans who run 'official' or 'supported' fan-sites will do the work for nothing, so they can even move it down from the interns.

[quote]And Datalounge comes up in a LOT of Google searches for "[Celebrity Name] gay."

IT SURE DOES!!!! LOL!!!

I remember that on some thread asking straight women why they came to the DataLounge a guy actually responded. He gave no name but apparently he is a FAVORITE of DL. Basically he wrote that he came to DL to laugh and to read about himself. He found it funny to read about all the men he was fucking, and fucking him, when in reality he was home alone every night with his dog. Was this the real actor? Or, was it his PR people? Who knows...

I do know that the porn star Rogan Richards did come here to read posts AND replied!!!

OH, YES!!! I do know with 100%, (and no I'm not mentioning his name), who comes here to read the posts and is well aware of DL.

So, these celebrities, PR people, and whoever else are indeed aware of this site.

R60 I can also confirm that publicists sometimes reach out to those sites directly as well, promising them exclusive content or privileges or just the feeling of having an "in" with their favorite celebrity of some kind. It's win-win for everyone -- except for those of us who love undiluted gossip!

R59 Because it just seems like a colossal waste of time to have an intern, paid or unpaid, surfing the web and arguing with trolls on a site the majority of the population has never heard of. It doesn't prepare them for what the job of an actual publicist is.

I've been accused twice on DL of being a PR person (I'm not) because I disagreed with the rumor that Kendall Jenner is a lesbian or that the crazy fan created couple of Larry (Louis and Harry from 1 Direction) is not real. I think a lot of people get mad when they have no evidence to support their rumor and they get called out on it. Then their go-to response is "You are a PR person/ the celebrity themselves".

I loved harassing the PR shills for fast food. The Brandi/Brandon interns were so sincere, pasting ad copy verbatim for the McTurd burgers and McSquirtle Nuggets (TM).

I frankly don't care what anyone eats. But pasting critical articles about how toxic their McFood is was so easy! It sent the McBrandys into a tailspin!

[quote]it just seems like a colossal waste of time to have an intern, paid or unpaid, surfing the web and arguing with trolls on a site the majority of the population has never heard of. It doesn't prepare them for what the job of an actual publicist is.

That's the whole point, though. It's menial tedious work no one wants to do but has to be done anyway. It's safe enough to put a 20-year-old marketing intern on day one. And someone's got to do it. It's the PR equivalent of stuffing envelopes.

It's easy to believe PR people monitoring what is said about their clients, but hard to buy that they actively intervene on a regular basis by posting on a site like this. I could see them doing it more for shits and giggles than as a serious attempt to influence messaging in every odd corner of the internet.

This is an active discussion forum R66, not a tremendous number of those around.

[quote]It's easy to believe PR people monitoring what is said about their clients, but hard to buy that they actively intervene on a regular basis by posting on a site like this.

You're being naive, R66. Here are some classic examples; A new supplement hires a slew of people to surf the internet and find the appropriate web site to write reviews. YELP, (and similar sites), are often doing battle with those paid reviews versus an actual user reveiw.

Datalounge has HUGE Alexa ratings (one among many), and an extremely high following. How difficult is it for a PR person to drop something here? Quite frankly, many of the individuals who have their own thread here I am not familiar with. But then...I see the name over and over again. Then some type question is linked to them. Eventually, I'll google them to find out who they are. And, to get me to that point is part of the PR's job.

I know. Like when people on the "what do you reuse before discarding" thread claim that only Bounty paper towels are good for a second use, when everyone who's ever used Brawny paper towels (available at Walmart, CostCo, Wegmans and most supermarkets near you) are actually STRONGER than all other major brands, as tested in the places where you know, they test that stuff.

"Real pr people don't give a shit about websites or internet rumors"

Of course they do. Why do you think Aaron Rodgers went on the radio to say he "really, really likes women" when a website printed that he is gay and was in love with his former roommate?

[quote]when a website printed that he is gay and was in love with his former roommate?

ESPECIALLY when other blogs and web sites started picking it up!!!

[quote]when a website printed that he is gay and was in love with his former roommate?

ESPECIALLY when other blogs and web sites started picking it up!!!

DL is perfect for PR 2 step of managing gay rumors and gaybaiting, taken to new levels by management of PR for 1D, threads here could be case studies in PR. (Deluded! Tinhats! Well, maybe he could be bi? Rinse, repeat.)

2 professionally created images put into public sphere - both believed by viewers to capture "reality" or "truth." No 16 year old, or 26 year old, spontaneously grabs a colleague's dick while being photographed in public for work. In very unlikely event that he had, pics would not have seen the light of day, people were fed both images via different channels. Two narratives have been sold all along, by their PR outlets and by tumblr, Twitter, etc. Dozens of threads on DL have breathlessly debated the sexuality of this one or that one, DL ideal place to fan those embers. There was an article about the duality of messaging and branding of 1D last summer that really captured what has been carefully done to keep kids and draw in older fans, thus, picture 1, or picture 2.

Interns monitor and go after low hanging fruit, more visible rumors bring in the grown ups. Why does DL stand out as decrying the reality of PR work for any valuable brand, paint to autos to John Travolta? Well, it makes their tactics more effective if they are seen as credible and organic. Forums seem more organic than placed press releases. The numerous posts claiming that a huge industry does not exist, in fact, suggests it does engage here, ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

I actually do work in PR...granted it is corporate/financial PR, but it's PR. We monitor what is being said whether it be from wildly popular sites or not so high traffic sites. You might be surprised that most rumors begin on sites just like this.

My friends in entertainment PR also monitor what's being said about their clients. It's very easy to do with alerts and keyword searches. Keep in mind too, monitoring is usually relegated to interns or entry level staff who bump up issues to people higher up the chain of command. Some agencies even farm this type of work out to firms outside the U.S.

So, yes, certain rumors or topics will make it to the attention of a celebrity's publicist or a PR firm to handle. And, yes, sites like DL will be swarmed with fairly obvious posts.

no. they haven't a clue as to what the data lounge is. it's thought of something fro the past.

Of course, by doing so, he fanned both flames more, R70. Just not something one spontaneously says if not trying to deflect, however, in industry, must be done.

r74, thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm amazed at the people who think celebs don't care what people say about them....of course they care. They care very deeply.

I do know one D-list actor who used to post "He's straight!" type things about himself on his own imdb page (anonymously, of course). He seems to be more out these days, so maybe he lightened up a bit.

You mean like R75 posting, R74?

Thanks for insights.

With so much media space to fill these days, BI often start with rumors on DL and elsewhere, if good click bait, get picked up and spread.

I'm imagining the all hands on deck meeting where Sebastian Stan's people decided his DL post should focus on his nips. Or the day Team Colto brainstormed ways to make him look like an expensive rentboy.

Do give us a hint on the D list actor, r77.

r79, it's someone who is relatively unknown in the real world but discussed quite a bit on the datalounge

nobody outside of old queens knows

Actually, R75 seems more like a troll trying to get a rise out of people. It's not an industry secret that publicists and PR people monitor conversations. What is confidential is the name of the client -- at least among those who take the profession seriously.

Well, duh. Datalounge is an anonymous message board. You can be a troll, a shill, a fan, a hater, a stalker, or whatever. All people have, to figure out a poster's character or agenda, is the post itself. A post, or several posts from the same IP address, can paint a pretty good picture about the poster (like key words, etc.).

Why do you think threads like "which ads do you like or hate?" pop up every now and then? That's PR research about brand awareness. And no matter how important or unimportant people think Datalounge is, some clients have an invested interest in their brand and do their best to control the narrative on all fronts.

[quote]I actually do work in PR...granted it is corporate/financial PR, but it's PR. We monitor what is being said whether it be from wildly popular sites or not so high traffic sites.

That's how you catch those CEO's who go on chat boards anonymously to try to pump up their stock!

Spot on, R83. These posts are also fairly easy to pick out. Dead giveaways...anything that either reads like a press release or has perfect spelling and grammar (sorry grammar trolls!).

Does anyone here shop at Aldi? Would anyone like to read a detailed description of the shopping experience at one of our-- I mean their-- 1,300 North American locations? Just asking.

Oh, yes, R84. I can't tell you how many times I had to have "the talk" with a CEO or CFO. Shill postings from executives and PR people on financial matters is not worth the risk. Most C-level executives have tunnel vision and/or skewed reality about what is happening so they tend to be -- at best -- unintentionally misleading with their posts. Some outright lie.

[quote]Some outright lie.

OH! I know R87. I definitely know...

I just came here to say that Zac Efron is a real pussy-hound and Dirty Grandpa is the funniest movie of the year!

Yes they do, op.

I had one that was so bad, R88, that I contacted the SEC (absolutely useless agency) as a whistleblower and ended up doing the unthinkable...I created an alter ego and would challenge the CEO/CFO's posts on the boards. And, the sad part, I would have been the one, if caught, to get in trouble!

It was very sad how they treated shareholders. I was getting several calls a day from everyday people who met with the CEO and invested and lost everything based on the lies they were told. Even worse, they were good friends with a talking head on a business show who touted the company and added credibility to the lies. The talking head knew it was bullshit and found a way to profit from it.

Most executives, though, drink the Kool Aid and unintentionally mislead. They don't know they are about to crash into a mountain until the mountain is staring them in the face. Both types are equally dangerous to shareholders.

WOW, R91!!! SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!!

I'll leave out names, but I'm sure you will have an idea of those I speak of... In some financial periodicals many think that certain financial journalists aren't paid. LOL! They are! There are ways to get around many things... It's the same with television media IMPORTANT! I don't want to chase anyone away from investing in the markets! DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!

MANY shareholders would be shocked if they learned how management spends company money--especially those under a one billion dollar market cap! A few weeks ago I was at a due diligence dinner at a very well known and EXPENSIVE steak house in NYC. It had to cost the company a pretty penny. I suppose the execs felt as if they were rolling in the money since the stock was trading for a nickel, and the market-cap was a bit over $7 million... Lord....

Although this was relevant, in bringing this back to topic for the OP, a PR professional would be crazy not to make use of social media and/or sites such as Datalounge! The costs are nothing, but you can bill the client HUGE! If a PR professional isn't paying attention to social media I'd say that there are grounds for malpractice!

Look at some of the names mentioned on this site. Some of the topics. There is a new thread talking about Brad Pitt's recent youthful appearance...and no cosmetic surgery required... You use these sites to push/combat a narrative, but you can also guage appeal too.

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I have an Associate's Certificate from my Community College and know that gays say stuff. Ginny wrote my recommendation. I can't believe I was accepted.

I post here. I'm still learning Excel, but once I do I can provide EMPIRICAL data to support my surveys.

If this wasn’t happening, it should. After a few years of COLTON COLTON COLTON, I eventually learned who he is, sort of. I may have actually seen a movie of his, or two. Likewise for Tommy DiDario. When I need boots, Tommy‘s as good a reference as anyone, I suppose. Though, I’m not buying a Dodge. My point being, the publicist threads here are effective. Even the ones I don’t read.

With my TV DVR, I see few TV commercials these days, so embedded advertisement here is even better than traditional advertising.

This was the whole point of the Russian Trump advertisements, wherever they appeared. You couldn’t tell they were ads, they just looked like normal posts, apparently.

I personally don’t think publicists come here and argue with anybody.

But the threads that only have positive one liners, that don’t respond to anyone, are questionable. Especially when they promote a movie or other product. That would be easy to do.

And if they are about some Gay nobody, that always makes me wonder. It’s either a fanatic, or a publicist, and sometimes I am convinced it’s a publicist. They’d just have a list of twenty Gay sites, and they could pump out one liners on each in a day.

I also think this is how Mur-iel actually makes her pocket change. Not from $2 monthly fees, that’s nothing. It’s from advertisements.

Remember the “Gale Howard” posts? DL was bombarded everyday with a Gale Howard post. Whoever was behind this tried in vain to keep Gale Howard relevant, at least with the gay community.

Now, the same stunt is used for Armie Hammer. This was particularly apparent around Oscar time.

My 4th Great-Grandfather lost his leg about 1800. I’ve found newspaper ads where he boats about how great his false leg is, and recommends the creator of it to others in need. It looked like an old fashion classified ad. I assume he got paid for it.

I was just reminded about ads, please don’t shit on me. TY.

Moment of silence for the old format @R16.

[quote] How many regulars are truly here...70?

We’re a small team, but we’re competitive. All “have-to-be-number-one” types. Our weird specialisms and strange techniques only make us a more formidable group.

To be a Regular you must have no F&Fs and an unbroken streak of W&Ws. You also have to have the respect of the Juniors and the Sub-Regulars, who will have to fetch water/pick up balls etc. until they learn the strength & technique to be Regular DLrs and have permanent posting privileges.

Maybe 2018 will be the year we can finally ground LSA into the dust at Nationals.

R102 wins the thread

[Quote] Maybe 2018 will be the year we can finally ground LSA into the dust at Nationals.

Lol

A lesser aspect of this is plain old PR, sweetie. My best friend works for a newspaper (not telling which one) and gets 100s of email press releases a day. When he gets, for example, a press release from a musician's publicist, he forwards me an email if he thinks I might like their new song or album (or movie, TV show, etc.).

He more often doesn't turn it into an article, but I've seen how a simple announcement becomes an article on content-hungry blogs, often word for word and within minutes or hours. Towleroad and JoeMyGod, Back to Stonewall, etc, are particularly quick about this, turning an email about a gay or gay-targeted celeb/performer into content, which then gets linked here by someone else, where my friend and I secretly trash the singer, film, etc. for fun.

It's fluff, generated by such a machine, and we all contribute to the attention by commenting on and on. We're all complicit.

The PR dudes can't respond as they're taking advantage of the suck tents.

People definitely are hired to be excited fans at movie premiers and other photo ops for big name actors, like huge crowds of them.

Thanks dolls, above, I have to teach a unit of "social media" in a course this semester. But would you mind posting more recent links about social media links to branding and marketing, and as a career. I mean I can't be referring to 5 year old articles about social media, of all topics. Seems like references need to be in the last 12 months, tops.

[Quote] People definitely are hired to be excited fans at movie premiers and other photo ops for big name actors, like huge crowds of them.

I immediately thought of Tom Cruise.

I'm sure there are lots of Puerto Ricans on Datalounge, OP.

[QUOTE]You have to remember they're are ex-employees, ex-lovers, ex-partners, ex-friends, etc. who can post here anonymously to get even with the celebrities who have wronged them.

Because posting it on an obscure site like Datalounge instead of leaking it to higher profile sites like TMZ makes sense.

So pr not Puerto Rico?

PR, as in public relations R112.

OP you would be surprised that in fact there are people that go to forums to dispel rumors and shut down thread. The New York Post, Gawker, and Business Insider have done articles about us. We used to be monitor for gay rumors.

PR is predominantly social media now. So I wouldn't be surprised if a or company maintained a staff to post shit.

Why yes, & we advertise too.

I know Bravo used to send employees to Datalounge (and other boards) to promote their shows like the Housewives. Actually, I am convinced the first few threads about that dreadful show were done by Bravo employees. Ughh.

Thanks to social media celebs and their handlers need to work harder to uphold the celeb's fake image. Say, a comment on Twitter can snowball into a PR disaster when enough Twitter users re-tweet the comment.

It's really a celeb's brand people hire for their projects. You can be the most talented actor in the world but if you don't have much of a brand awareness, fans, and social media followers business people (studio execs, casting directors, etc.) pick a shitty actor with a bigger brand awareness, more fans, and much more social media followers.

Yes, it sounds crazy but someone's reputation is his or her brand these days. And it's more important than ever, because it's considered money in the bank these days. And yes, people / celebs tend to micro manage their own image to the point where Google alerts pointing towards Datalounge need to be dealt with.

The PR DBs promoting Zack Efron movies posted here all the time saying how great his shitty movies were.

what does POS stand for ??

r119. Piece of Shit.

So if I well understand, the thread "CRUISING Movie 1980" is probably posted by PR and not only a fan of that movie ? Because, honestly I've always found that person very very well informed about the actors who played in Cruising, specially about their privacy and hardly anybody knew about it.....and when you ask him for more informations : big silence !!! It's very strange.

I have been called a PR shill Probably a dozen times over the last few years on this site. I think it’s just one or two people Who throw the term out in relation to a couple specific issues. Mainly information I know about celebrities and my experience with a Popular but controversial pharmaceutical. LOL

I personally believe it, and I think it works

I read so much about CMBYN that I had to see it. It was a piece of crap.

Don’t you think Tommy shills some pretty clothes? If you’re going to buy sunglasses, why not check out his posts?

I had no idea who many of these actors are, but after years of reading about them, I think, “oh well, find out what the fuss is about”.

I also think that paid posts are how this site make most of its money, not subscriptions. Like newspapers. Think about it. If DataLounge doesn’t do this, they are really missing out.

I also know for a fact that the Christmas Moose is the highest paid spokescritter on this site. I’ve seen the payroll sheets.

Yes

I am a PR rep for my own niche and non-niche interests, which are clearly superb and shared by the most exceptional of people with the rarest and finest of taste, though I do not draw a salary for such services.

The only requirement is that I keep fit and presentable to maintain an enticing front to attract others to my causes and in the event I'm found slacking by myself, I cut myself off from the petty cash box.

I wonder if they bother with tumblr....?

So, does using words or phrases, with alternate lettering, overcome Google alerts, and other triggers? Like tRump, or WiII (two capital i's, not el's)Smith?

I’m a PR person and I never post on the DL

I know the clams used to patrol Radar Online and TMZ for Tom Cruise or any other $cienos and rush to defend them if there were negative stories about them. They were all over the TomKat divorce tales.

[quote]I’m a PR person and I never post on the DL

But, who do you represent. R128? I actually can see some value in a PR person having DL in their tool box and using it to promote a product, project, or person. First of all, it is basically free, (but you can bill the hell out of a client), and I have seen first-hand how it has been effective. It has been more than a few times that a particular famous person, (who was the subject of a thread), have posted on DL. How do I know this? I've reached out to them or read someplace where they have mentioned DL. For example, (a very "whatever" example); Porn star Rogan Richards has posted on this site a couple of times. So! don't underestimate the foot print of this site.

Do porn actors have PR people?

Why not, R131? If everything and everyone could have a PR staff why not a porn star? There's only so much time in a day and how many PR people would actually turn away the commission?

This pisses me off. I thought this thread was going to be about Puerto Ricans.

¡Si! Where else do the posts come from b stars like Colto or, hmm, I forget now. I think their posting contracts expired because I see little about them on here lately.

Just look at any David Pervsner thread - 70% of the posts are from him, telling us how hot and sexy he is. Shameless self promotion. The other 30% are from geriatric shut-ins, who haven't had sex since Carter was president. I mean, like, ewwwwwww!

Brad Pitt PR team sure do!

What I love is at Blind Gossip posters claiming that Henry Cavill is the answer to BIs about a womanizer who gives his female conquests STIs. Yeah, it's way better for an action star to be a straight, deseased man-slut than gay. Like when legal of age Gregg Sulkin was dating underage Bella Thorne. Not creepy at all. But hey, better than the G word, right?

So we talk to the STARS directly? Through ** !! GOOGLE ALERTS !! ** (RYAN PHILLIPP we love your thirsty sexy photos where you look like a 45 year old gay party boy all pumped up and loaded - MORE OF THESE RYAN we will watch your delightful appearances in FILM and SERIES but please God many more of THESE, RYAN PHILIPP - ** !! GOOGLE ALERTS !! **

Bella Thorne is another self proclaimed bisexual but she's a lez

[quote]I read so much about CMBYN that I had to see it. It was a piece of crap.

I have refused to watch CMBYN specifically because of the over the top PR shilling on DL.

Brad Pitt dated underage girls he's a perv

Good to know R141

(R138) If we talk to the actors directly, it means that some of them are very very agressive (see the thread "Eldergays, tell us about Richard Cox" reply 2 and reply 76...). I didn't think they could be so unpleasant!!!

I really think that Queerty follows this site quite closely in order to get news and story ideas.

I can assure you OP that there are no Puerto Ricans on Datalounge, or more generally on the internet.

R142 I mean he fake dated them (he's gay) . He likes/prefers to be seen as a pervert but not what he is a gay man (like DiCaprio etc)! It's upsetting that cunt Pitt has so many fans on a gay site

I believe Puerto Rican people post on DL.

Sometimes friends of famous people read DL or other gossip sites and then post defending their friend or pass the link to the friend or their team. I have proof that happened with one famous gay. There were some posts here suggesting he may have been a drug user. I didn’t see those posts elsewhere and wouldn’t expect to as his base of followers are fraus. Fast forward to recently and he was being interviewed and they mentioned the people online accusing him of drug use. How you doin’ And his friend chews us out for being haters, uses the exact same words he used when he posted on the thread defending his friend.

Meghan Markle's people are pretty obvious. They're so obvious, that just my stating that fact will get me accused of being some bizarre 'Welp Troll'.